Saturday, November 29, 2008

POINT: Parting ways would be a Weis decision.

Here's a relevant nursery rhyme:

Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the King's horses and all the King's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

In the case of the storied Fighting Irish of Notre Dame, we all know who Humpty Dumpty is. We all know where in Indiana the wall is located. And we all should know recognize that the pieces can't be mended. Humpty is fucked, and he's bringing the wall down with him.

Now I am not a Notre Dame fan. In fact, I don't like them at all. But it does kill me to see the most storied program in college football crumbling before our very eyes. One thing became plainly obvious in the press conferences and body language following the heartbreaking 24-23 loss to Syracuse last week. Let's pause a minute...they lost to Syracuse. Wow.

Students were pelting their players. The team was booed. Charlie Weis has lost his fans. Now he needs to get lost.

I am of the opinion that Weis simply isn't the man for the job at Notre Dame. He has talent on that team--that is to say, there are less or equally talented teams that have better records than Notre Dame this year (see the ACC, Nebraska). And yet, Weis has lost control. He has 9 wins--NINE!--over the past two seasons at a program that historically is, to put it lightly, used to winning.

Why isn't he the man for the job? Simply, he is not inspiring, he is arrogant, and he's not automatically a great head coach, even with great experience. We can look at these three in reverse order.

- He's not automatically a great head coach, even with great experience. He was never a head coach prior to his tenure here, and there might be a reason. He had been in the NFL as an assistant/offensive coordinator for 15 years without even being seriously considered a coach, and he was game-planning for 4 Super Bowl Champion teams during his tenure. Yet if you look at the personality of those teams, they were laid back, silent-assassins--a great way to be in the NFL, but not the right mindset for college athletes. They need to stay hungry and be aggressive. The point here is that even though Weis was a proven winner as an assistant and a coordinator, he was never even a finalist for a coaching job until he went to his alma mater. And there, he became a savior, even though the only thing he is truly interested in saving is room for dessert.

- He is arrogant. Picture this (and this is reported to have actually happened). Your son is a star high school football player, and he already has offers from Mack Brown, the classiest coach in the league and Urban Meyer, the hungriest coach in the league. Now look who waddles into your living room--Charlie Weis, the head ball coach at Notre Dame. He's soft spoken, but has this air of "we are Notre Dame, you should want to come here" about him. But does he tout his University? Perhaps a little, but he truly ices the cake when he takes his hand out of his pocket. He places his hand on the table so that everyone in the room can get a good look at his Super Bowl rings. "Look at what I won," he thinks to himself. That's not the way a Notre Dame football coach should behave. Past coaches were humbled by the opportunity to coach there--Weis almost gives off the aura that it is his right, not his privilege.

- We always talk about great athletes and how they have "It." Nobody can quite say what "It" is, but you know when your player has it. I also believe that great coaches have "It" as well. They can rally the troops when they need to. They always seem to make the right decisions. Notre Dame has a history of coaches who had "It." Ara Parseghian did, Knute Rockne did...heck, even Lou Holtz did (though he seems to have lotht it now). Now Weis seems to be less like those three and more like a Gerry Faust (allegorical connections aside), the guy who came in and was supposed to return them to prominence and whose greatest accomplishment was a 7-5 season and the Alamo Bowl. Faust left the Irish to be the head coach at the University of Akron. He didn't have "It" and Weis doesn't either. He's lost games, the fans and perhaps even his players (a lot of transfers are now rumored).

I think Weis could be a great guy, but he has to go. He might even be a great coach somewhere else. But not Notre Dame. The school deserves better than him. They need someone who can really put the 'Fight' back in Fighting Irish.


COUNTERPOINT: YOU'RE AN IDIOT

Where to begin? I'll start with your personal attack on Weis. You claim that part of Weis' problem is that he's arrogant because he wears his Super Bowl rings when he recruits. If you have a problem with this, that's fine, but don't make idiotic comparisons to other coaches. You juxtapose Weis with Urban Meyer. Let's remember that Urban Meyer had rings made for his 2004 Utah team that had "The Real National Champions." Apparently, "Fuck You, Pete Carrol" didn't come in the font he wanted. So the thought that he isn't wearing that ring and his 2007 National Title ring during his recruiting visits is stupid. He does the exact same thing as Weis. The only difference is Meyer can promise recruits the chance to be the next Alex Smith. Weis can promise them the chance to be the next Tom Brady. Tough Call.

You also bring up Mack Brown, and make the claim he's the classiest guy in college coaching. Yep, pretty much, that's all I think of when I think of Mack Brown. Class. You read that score right. In the 2005 Big 12 Championship game, Mack Brown hung the classiest 70 points on a traditional opponent that college football has ever seen. Man, he really is a super guy, and isn't now trying to play the "classy" card because his team can't score more than 35 on Kansas. Great point. I would also like to point out that I think Charlie Weis carries his body quite well, thank you very much.

But Mack Brown is actually a good reason why Charlie Weis shouldn't be fired from Notre Dame this season (key point, I think he gets one more year). Mack Browns first four years at UNC had records of: 1-10, 1-10, 6-4-1, 7-5. Why did they stick with him after that? Because they were a terrible program, and it takes a while to rebuild. The reason Ty Willingham was fired in the first place was because his recruiting had tailed off. NOTE: this does not mean it was always bad, it meant that it had suddenly turned bad. So yes, Charlie Weis won early with another coaches players, but it was because the juniors and seniors on the team were talented. Fast forward to last year: all those terrible freshmen and sophomores that Weis inherited were now juniors and seniors. So, he had the option of playing his freshmen recruits (which was considered a top 5 class) or playing upper classmen that were awful. Which do you choose? And are you surprised this team goes 3-9? Let's see what Texas' record would be if they were not allowed to play any of their upper classmen. Just because freshmen are talented doesn't mean they are ready to contribute on every play. Now let's look at this year. Still, you have no upperclassmen, you just have a bunch of talented freshmen and sophomores. What would you expect this team to look like? Show some moments of great promise, some moments of complete ineptitude, but overall steady improvement? I think that's what you've gotten out of the Irish this season. Why didn't UNC fire Mack, or Texas for that matter when he was getting owned by Bob Stoops from 2000=2004? Because it takes time to overhaul a roster and he was still recruiting effectively. I think Weis is doing both at Notre Dame thus far, so he deserves another year. Granted, if he still can't win 8-9 games with his players as upperclassmen, he should be shown the door.

And then there's the issue about the whole "contract" thing. When one source with knowledge the terms of the deal describes his buyout as "stupefying" in 2008 college football terms, you have to pause for a moment of reflection. To fire Weis, it is believed that you would have to immediately write him a check for somewhere between $10 million and, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, 32 MILLION DOLLARS. Want to put that in perspective? According to the New York Times (see article here), Notre Dame's entire athletic budget is $13.5 million this year. So, Notre Dame, would you rather have Charlie Weis coach your team next year, or would you rather pay him and not have any team, in any sport, for the next 1-3 years? It's easy to say "uuuuh, I'm drunk and angry about a loss, fire the coach." It's a lot harder to do when you see the actual money involved.

2 comments:

Hoogs said...

Just some notes about your counterpoint, Brooks.

First of all, your attack on Mack Brown for the Colorado game is unwarranted. Yes, they scored 70 points but what you didn't note in that link you posted that actually doesn't work is that Mack took VY out with 9:59 to play IN THE THIRD QUARTER! They had already scored 63 by that point. Everyone knows that it is not unsportsmanlike to leave your starters in to play hard through three quarters. As it stands, the Longhorns hit 70 with just over 7 minutes to go in the 3rd. Is that classless? Or just unfortunate for Colorado that they were just that awful.

And listen, I am not saying that Urban Meyer (who hails from the great city of Ashtabula, Ohio) is not a dick. I can't even argue too much against your counterpoint. Yet at least Urban Meyer can say he is a proven winner in college. We all know that winning in the pros doesn't necessarily translate to winning in college. What you fail to recognize here is that Weis has been blessed in his coaching career with working with arguably the greatest professional coach of all time (sorry Cleveland). Yes, Weis is an awesome offensive mind, and yes, he helped groom Brady (although would he even have drafted him? Remember that call was actually made by the late Dick Rehbein, who died tragically in 2002). Even with all of Weis' success and Brady's development (which at the pro level can not be wholly attributed to Weis) he is not necessarily a great college head coach. Remember this: he didn't even play football past the high school level. That gives him a distinct disadvantage, similar to a Mike Leach, at instinctually calling plays. Meanwhile, a guy like Urban Meyer was at least a standout DB at the University of Cincinnati. And he was a proven winner at Utah prior to going to the Gators. Brooks, you even always talk about how assistants need to have that intermediate step at a medium or small level program in college to prove their success. Why should it be any different for Weis? What makes this guy, who was never a college player, and who groomed professionals (who had nothing to worry about but getting paid and getting laid), not young men, special?

The final point I want to make (I am not going to argue with you on the buyout, because you're right. It's nuts) is that you also just compared Notre Dame Football to UNC Football. That's like comparing UNC Basketball to Notre Dame Basketball. You can afford to rebuild at UNC. You have some slack. And Mack (who just to point out groomed a pretty great quarterback of his own in Troy Aikman at OU) had already proven he could help turn college programs around at App State and Tulane. You can't compare that experience to professional experience, because the head coach has much more control and has to have much more vision for the team in college. This is experience that Weis simply doesn't have. And even though you have to rebuild at Notre Dame, Weis' job is not too dissimilar from a guy like Brian Cashman--you need to rebuild, but you had better look damn good while you are doing it. Losing to Syracuse simply cannot happen. i know recruiting takes time and players need to develop, but Weis simply bit off a bit more than he could chew with this one. He'll have one more shot at it next year, but anything short of a January bowl game and I think he will be gone.

Brooks said...

You make good points, and I'm not going to disagree with you on some of them, but things to remember:

1) I don't care when they pulled Vince Young, when you score 70 on a team, especially a team in your own conference, you're a dick.

2) I agree with you 100% on the coaching experience thing, however, that is a great point to bring up in 2004. Notre Dame hired him despite his lack of experience, so firing him 4 years in because of a lack of experience makes no sense.

3) Notre Dame has been rebuilding since Lou Holtz retired. Herbstreit brought up on ESPN two weeks or so ago that since his retirement, Notre Dame has only averaged 7-8 wins per year. That is not the mark of a program suffering from 2 subpar seasons that came out of no where, that's the mark of a program that is trying to recover from 10 years of bad recruiting.

4) Urban Meyer and Charlie Weis have the same number of BCS Bowl appearances on their resumes. I'm not making argument that if I could hire any coach in the country right now, Charlie Weis would be my first choice. What I am saying, however, is that blaming him because he isn't in national title contention isn't fair. Urban Meyer inherited a team that had great talent left for him from top to bottom. Charlie Weis had great talent on top, and has recruited new, great talent, but it hasn't aged enough yet to make up for a complete dearth of upperclassman. People point out that Jimmy Clausen hasn't looked great as a sophomore. Well, Colt McCoy didn't look great a lot of times last year, and he had a much more experienced line and receivers around him.

This is not to say he can't be fired ever, I just think he shouldn't be fired until you see his own recruits play as juniors. If it's under 8 wins next year, pay the $20 mil to get rid of him. But it shouldn't happen in 2008.